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Author: | jimg1au [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | cr250m gear selection harsh |
hi when i rebuilt my motor the gears selected ok.now i am test riding i find gear selection harsh and also false neturals.some times the gear box has troble down shifting. what did i do wrong cheers |
Author: | dogger315 [ Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: cr250m gear selection harsh |
A couple of questions first. You said you were able to change gears after the rebuild, correct? Are you talking about changing gears while rotating the clutch by hand or changing gears with the motor actually running? Could you elaborate a little on "harsh"? Is it harsh sounding? or harsh feeling? or both? Is it difficult to change gears? (have to use a lot of effort to move the shift lever). Did the transmission work correctly for a while and now it doesn't? Or has it been a problem since completeing the rebuild? It's hard to tell what's wrong without more info. If you can answer the questions, It might give me a clue on a possible culprit/culprits. dogger |
Author: | jimg1au [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: cr250m gear selection harsh |
changing gears by rotating the clutch yes this did feel ok harsh is feeling not sound it sometime wont down shift to 1st also false neutrels this is the first time i have riden thr bike after total rebuild from tyers up for racer went for a longer ride as the fire trails near my home are also near other peoples homes and slotting into 3rd is not on.it jumps out of 3rd and then i can shift into 4th and fifth.down shifting is stiff and wont go back to 1st easy.if i ride it like this will i do damage to the whole gearbox i need to have 3 ribes on this bike in the next 3 months then my cz400 will be ready and i will showroom restore the bike.i have a mr250 engine i can steel the box from if it will fit cheers jim |
Author: | dogger315 [ Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: cr250m gear selection harsh |
Thanks Jim. Under no circumstances should you ride or even start this bike again. The fact that the gearshift functioned normally by hand but grinds when running (under load) narrows it down to about a dozen possibilities. ![]() When you rebuilt the bottom end, did you replace all the bearings? Did you check the tolerances on the two shift fork shafts and the three shift forks? Did the bearing on the shift drum spin freely by hand? Did you ensure all the thrust washers and spacers were installed in the correct locations? I know there are a lot of questions but it sounds like one of the shifting components (shift drum, shift fork, shift shaft, etc) is binding under load possibly from loose tolerance or a bad bearing or possibly a missing thrust washer. In any case, you will need to split the cases again. The first thing I would do as you disassemble each component is verify that every thrust washer, spacer and circlip is present and seated per the expanded diagram. Then use a dial indicator to measure the shift forks, shift fork shafts, and shift drum to make sure they are within spec. Also look for scuff marks or rings on the shift fork shafts. This would indicate binding. It's also a good idea to make sure all the bearings spin freely and are seated completely. All it takes is a worn shift fork shaft. As you try to change gears the shift fork "cocks" very slightly on the shaft and binds, refusing to move. If you try to run this engine without correcting this problem, you will probably end up with a case full of expensive metal pieces operating randomly. My advice is to park the Honda for now and borrow a friends bike to race until the CZ is ready. This fix could take some time. dogger |
Author: | jimg1au [ Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: cr250m gear selection harsh |
thanks for the reply i will park the cr and when the cz is finished i will put both my mr250 motor bought for spares and my cr250 1973 motor on 2 benches and pull them apart.replace any worn parts cheers jim |
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